Showing posts with label skaven. Show all posts
Showing posts with label skaven. Show all posts

Monday, March 26, 2012

I claim thee in the name of gaming!

Greetings and salutations
this weekend my partner and I were hard at work shifting around three rooms for the benefit of her sanity and my gaming obsessions. After a year's chipping away she finally agreed the largest of our rooms should be converted to a games room (from being the master bedroom) while my old office/games room became her massage room and that room became the bedroom.
It took a LONG time moving everything around but it finally done and will be baptised on Thursday evening when my pal Ben comes over for a little Future War Commander action.


The walls are still eerily bare but I'll fix that once the final positions of everything are decided.
Also I may still swap the metal shelving with the painting desk so there can be more room to move about by collapsing the table when not in use. But the bulk of the work is done, including putting some of my figures in their cabinet (a little "dream come true" moment for me!)
 Part of my Eldar and my Crimson Fists and Chaos armies
 The bulk of my 40k Imperial Fists
 More Space Elf goodness
 Warmaster Orks
 Warmaster High Elves and Empire
What little I have painted of my Skaven project
The remainder of my Skaven project - the unpainted part!

And we celebrated the day with a luscious dinner - prawn fettuccine!


That is all for this post, I guess
Thanks for stopping by!

Wednesday, March 14, 2012

Skaven project (9hrs) - A little cheating to get things done

Righto and welcome all three and half of my affectionate readers to an update on my Skaven army.

After over three months of waiting they arrived yesterday. Was I happy? Excited? Do I really still care?!?
Well let's say I was up until 2am last night tweaking the list and repairing broken bits, took today off work, and haven't almost moved from my desk except to relieve myself and undercoat these beauties.
Yup, I STILL care about this project quite a bit!

Last night I began with writing up a list, organizing a game (always a good way to get a deadline and maintain motivation), doing up the movement trays and repairing lots of broken hands, weapons, tails etc...

The basing trays followed the same routine as the last lot except I've decided cutting up endless quantities of sprues just ain't worth it. I went with barbecue (NOT cocktail) sticks instead in the end therefore
I've repaired, gravelled the bases and undercoated enough slaves for three hordes of 40, though this time around I did also use a little ingenuity (cheating?) here and there.
While not cutting down the painting in any considerable manner, about two/three 40x40mm bases for each of the hordes "break up" the units a little and allow little dioramas of models such as the slaver with his whip, the front rank leader, or even just a pair of slaves on a base instead of thick 10x4 lot as I originally planned


Further to these I've also undercoated the two army bearers I am going to use in my force
And that's it for today
Thanks for stopping by!

Monday, January 9, 2012

Mantic Ghouls and Orc and a GW Undead Necromancer

New week, new army? Actually no, amazing as it may seem I'm pretty steadfast at present in the models I'm painting which is a surprise - even to me...
Over the w/end two units of Skaven and a Warpfire Thrower were done for that project, while tonight I exercised my brush-fu on a few samples of different figures: two Mantic ghouls and an Orc, and an old Lord of the Rings Saruman miniature.

Saruman, who'll one day lead the Mantic undead hordes

A pair of Mantic Ghouls I tested the paint scheme on (note the one on the right doing his best Heath Ledger impersonation) - APPROVED!


A trial Ork (ok on the Scheme, went WAY overboard on the wash though and had trouble trying to fix him...the next one I'll go black ink instead of brown on, too many flat surfaces on this model)

A Goblin hero made from a 40k Gretchin with a Chaos Warrior head and a Mantic Orcling on the ground. The idea is he's rejoicing at having killed something SMALLER than himself (a classic take on Orky society, where the strongest dominate the strong who dominate the weak who beat on the weaker and so forth...)

Lastly I based and undercoated a Skaven Champion but he'll be done later in the week as, like most, I've opted to do the MASSES (of which my armies seem to have quite a lot of...) in pretty straight up assembly line blocked painting, while it'll be the characters and possibly champions who get the "bells and whistles" treatment.


Thanks for stopping by!
S.

Sunday, January 8, 2012

Skaven Project - Second Unit and Mortar - Project time 6hr

By some miracle (maybe because the bulk of my figures hasn't arrived?!?) I'm managing to stay on top of this Skaven project having put six hours in this week - including today - and completed two units and a mortar to a standard that is to me very acceptable.

Picking up where I left off on the last update, these were the minis after the first two stages of leather brown for the wood - shields, banner pole and weapon shafts - and a darker brown for the skins
This was followed by plague green for about half the linen - I opted to do more tops yellowish with this unit as the first one had more blue tops to break it up a bit.
 Next I did all the silver metal followed by all the bronze metal and added bright colors randomly but sparsely.
 Finally the blue was added to the cloths, the models were individually touched up and the pink around the mouths was painted on thick
 At this stage they look surprisingly clean for a Skaven set. We must remedy this in the next stage!
A quick wash and they're starting to look much more the part. Their beady, evil little red eyes are all carefully painted in (I think out of 40 there have been 3 I've had to redo the eyes on...not bad!) and they're splattered with what I believe to be LOGICAL blood splatters (the musician for example has blood on the left reverse side of his drum stick and blood over his lips and teeth drooling down onto the drum as I assume that, with both hands occupied, if faced with an enemy up-close-and-personal he'd most likely bash him across the face outward then go for a bite to the throat before resuming his infernal chanting...)
 The unit I finished yesterday was also given a treatment of battle-bloodiness which I've tried to, truth be told, keep as subtle as possible across the units while not allowing them to look "fresh out of the factory"
 That's 40 pairs of beady eyes staring at their next slave!
 A close up of the first unit
 A not-so-good close up of the second unit - the one painted today
One last shot post-varnish....
 A close up of the second unit's banner
 Lastly after all was said and done I came back to finish the mortar which was done in about half an hour from undercoating to varnish, which bids quite well considering the IMMENSE amount of troops I'm due in a month or so....
All in all a very productive week and I hope to keep it up, what with going back to study in February and work getting more and more manic as we catch up from last year's foul weather. But hey, such is grown up life I'm told....and in less than three weeks I exit the Roaring 20s to make my into the Dirty Thirties!
VEVVY Exciting times, for me at least...a time of ponderance....reflection, introspection....nha, I'm going to go paintball and painting!
LOL!
Thanks for stopping by

Friday, January 6, 2012

Skaven Project - Basing - Project time 2hr

Hey all
My friend Ben lent me of his Skaven which he had lying about as I grew more and more excited about my new project. These are the miniatures shown in the previous post which I've started to paint up. I've completed the first unit of 20 slaves and pretty happy with the result "en masse".
Unfortunately though it's evening here so the photos wouldn't come out well. Tomorrow I plan on doing an afternoon session with Ben (he's preparing 15mm Ambush Valley figures) and I'll complete the unit I've based up this evening and take step-by-step pictures of the it together with some photos of yesterday's.

Tom suggested he paints his miniatures by basing them first - basing having always been my weakness - and thought I'd give it a try. Must say I like the approach!

I started by completing the tray for them by undercoating it at the same time as I undercoated the figures, then went over all the bases and the sides of the tray in dark brown.



Over this I drybrushed pure leather brown thickly, making sure to let some of the darker brown and spots of even the black show through.

As an experiment to speed the process still further I painted all the wood areas (mostly weapons, straps and some shield) in leather brown also as I like the contrast it gives to the two-tone browns I use on the fur.
I then put a little superglue randomly in dots and strips on the bases and dipped the whole figure in light flocking (the railway type, not the ultra-bright GW version)



All in all, for an hour's work, I like the way they've turned out thus far. I do feel that doing say three units' worth of basing at once in a session will also maximise the hobby time rather than doing it unit by unit...though I just don't have that many figures yet!

More tomorrow after a good night's sleep (Rambo: First Blood is running in the background and almost over, still strong after almost three decades!) when I'll unveil my first painted unit of the new army
Thanks for reading
Steven

TOTAL SkAVEN PROJECT TIME: 2hr

Monday, January 2, 2012

Skaven Project - Movement trays - Project time 1hr

Right so this is my last day of holidays.....
..sigh!....

From tomorrow it's back to 30' in the air where I like to spend my waking hours, which come to think of it might be the irony of why I like underground dweller armies (Dwarfs being my other favourite!) so much.

But on to the business at hand, this weekend past I discussed purchasing movement trays with Tom who makes his own out of balsa and toothpicks. At first the thought didn't quite sit with me, as I prefer to spend the money to get quality than fiddle about endlessly trying to save a few bob - and the best price I've found on trays is $5 apiece which for what you get I think is affordable.
Then I saw Tom's in the "balsa" and thought "Wow!"
But didn't really like the thought of having to sit there lining toothpicks up for hours. After adding up my stash of skaven into what they'll be worth in points, the purchase of trays would come to over $100. A week's gaming budget, sure enough, but still something I could consider.
THEN the lightbulb Homer Simpson moment went up!

SPRUES!
Of which I will have umpteen amounts, and which have a lovely beveled edge all about them. They are long enough to snip down, maybe...Just maybe...
And Ado taught me to use 3mm thick mounting board for bases rather than buy pre-cut MDF ones...ummm...

Let's see if it works:
I started off building all the models

I then started snipping the sprues and dry fitting them to the right size around the unit

Next I marked out and cut 11x8.5cm sections of mounting board

Having cleaned up the sprue of all the nasty little flash I superglued this onto the card base

I like the overall result


Next I placed a dot of superglue on each base and applied medium ballast sand - a lot of people use PVA but to be honest I'm an impatient sort and one .35cent stick of superglue I find will do some 20-25 bases easily with no waiting time opposed to PVA, so that's why I've opted to use this for years now

45min from on-the-sprue to undercoating for two 20 rat units including the movement tray building is a time I'm comfortable with

The finished product of 1 hours' work. I actually (yes, Murphy is ALWAYS on duty!) ran out of black undercoat after doing the first unit - what are the ODDS?!?!?
But I'm counting it as if both had been done as they're sanded but the second one is about 3min behind this due to the undercoating

TOTAL SkAVEN PROJECT TIME: 1hr
REQUIRED MINIS TO PAINT FOR 1500pt FORCE
1 Warchief
1 Warlock
120 Warriors (40 undercoated)
40 Slaves
So no matter what there are going to be uncanny quantities of Skaven to have to be done up before I can play anything resembling a painted army on the table.
But, for now, all this does give me a sigh of relief. If anything, I have a plan.
And like all plans, we know.....

Thanks for reading!

Sunday, January 1, 2012

Skaven Project Begins

Having received confirmation my Skaven are en-route (ETA three weeks....sigh!) I've begun racking my brain a little as to how to get through some 500 28mm figures in a "reasonable" amount of time (ie before I get distracted....again!)
The first idea of course is to spray paint them - but $35/can for Army Painter I feel is a bit ludicrous...
Here are some tests with normal $2/can automotive paints over a white undercoat

That said I am just going to go with trial and error til I find something that works before embarking on the full monty. From left to right (ignore it's all the same model...) the purple would work well for the Shock Troops/Storm Vermin, the brown for the Warriors/Clanrats, the green for say the Scurriers/Gutter Runners. The last Terracotta skaven is an alternative base color for the warriors, but what I've to see is if it's easier to start with a clothing color and do the brown and details on that or if it's quicker to start from brown and paint the clothes and details onto that. Silly, I know, but when you've got so many even 10seconds a miniature makes a BIG difference!

Today I spent some time chatting online with Tom online and asked if he would help me by holding a mini-tutorial on how he approaches his own painting - if you ever saw his miniature collection you'd understand what I mean - think Ado's but in 28mm....shudder!
I then contacted the author of the warseer Kings of War list for the Ratmen asking if he's also the author of the Army Builder fan list for the Ratmen as the two have the same points values but different special rules - maybe just a discrepancy in updating?
Following that I thought about whether aiming to first get a force together with what's already painted would be an idea to keep the momentum going - thus I added up what my forces are worth in KoW terms

Lastly I've tallied up what my current list is worth in points assuming the use of the older Skaven as Slaves and the newer ones as Warriors.
This is something which is yet to be seen because my ultimate dream would be to have all the Skaven fielded as Warriors and Mantic's Ghouls on the table in the role of Slaves - my rationale being the outcasts of human society would take refuge in the burrows and sewers below the old world far from civilized eyes and fall prey of the Skaven who would put them in their service.

In that case the complete set would be worth more points but perhaps a step at a time is more in order:

Ratmen Roster
5150pt

   1 War Chief, 120 pts
   1 Army Standard Bearer, 25 pts

   1 Warlock, 120 pts
   1 Warlock, 120 pts
   1 Warlock, 120 pts
   1 Pack leader, 50 pts
   1 Pack leader, 50 pts
   1 Pack leader, 50 pts
   1 Assassin, 120 pts

   1 Warlock on Sorcerer's Bell, 250 pts
   1 Warlock on Sorcerer's Bell, 250 pts

   40 Slaves Horde, 85 pts
   40 Slaves Horde, 85 pts
   40 Slaves Horde, 85 pts
   20 Slaves Regiment, 45 pts

   20 Warriors Regiment, 80 pts
   20 Warriors Regiment, 80 pts
   20 Warriors Regiment, 80 pts
   20 Warriors Regiment, 80 pts
   20 Warriors Regiment, 80 pts
   20 Warriors Regiment, 80 pts
   20 Warriors Regiment, 80 pts
   20 Warriors Regiment, 80 pts

   1 Hell Cannon, 110 pts
   1 Hell Cannon, 110 pts
   1 Hell Cannon, 110 pts

   1 Daemonspawn, 300 pts

   20 The Blighted Ones Regiment, 110 pts

   5 Clawshots Team, 65 pts
   5 Clawshots Team, 65 pts
   5 Clawshots Team, 65 pts

   1 Pestilent Mortar, 60 pts
   1 Pestilent Mortar, 60 pts
   1 Pestilent Mortar, 60 pts

   1 Flame Thrower, 60 pts
   1 Flame Thrower, 60 pts
   1 Flame Thrower, 60 pts
   1 Flame Thrower, 60 pts
   1 Rotary Cannon, 60 pts
   1 Rotary Cannon, 60 pts
   1 Rotary Cannon, 60 pts
   1 Rotary Cannon, 60 pts


   3 Brutes Pack, 110 pts + Brutes Pack 110
   3 Brutes Pack, 110 pts + Brutes Pack 110
   3 Brutes Pack, 110 pts + Brutes Pack 110
   3 Brutes Pack, 110 pts + Brutes Pack 110

   1 Deathroller, 220 pts
   1 Deathroller, 220 pts
   1 Deathroller, 220 pts

   20 Shock Troops Regiment, 120 pts
   20 Shock Troops Regiment, 120 pts

Validation Report:
Fan List Race: Ratmen; Second Edition: Include Fan Lists
Roster satisfies all enforced validation rules

Composition Report:
Infantry: 22 (Unlimited - Unlimited)
Cavalry: 0 (Unlimited - Unlimited)
War Engine: 14 (0 Units - 19)
Heroes & Monsters: 15 (0 Units - 19)

Of this mound of rats, though, the following only will arrive painted
2x Hell Cannon, 220 pts
1x The Blighted Ones Regiment (20) 110 pts
1x Shock Troops Regiment (20) 120 pts
2x Deathroller 240pts

So in order to use this legally I'm going to have to paint - bare minimum:
- A War Chief
- five 20 rat troops (to include the Hell Cannons and the War Chief)
- the Blighted ones and Shock Troops allow the inclusion of the Deathrollers
This brings the bare minimum total to
1x Warchief 120pt
5x Warriors 400pt
2x Hell Cannon 220pt
1x Blighted Ones 110pt
1x Shock Troops 120pt
2x Deathroller 240pt

TOT: 1210pt

Thus adding another unit of Warriors - for six total - allows the inclusion of a Warlock (which I found indispensable in our practice game!)
That brings the grand total to 1410pt - just enough to add a 40-strong horde of Slaves for 85pt with 5pt to spare


REQUIRED MINIS TO PAINT FOR 1500pt FORCE
1 Warchief
1 Warlock
120 Warriors
40 Slaves
So no matter what there are going to be uncanny quantities of Skaven to have to be done up before I can play anything resembling a painted army on the table.
But, for now, all this does give me a sigh of relief. If anything, I have a plan.
And like all plans, we know.....

Saturday, December 31, 2011

Kings of War - Skaven vs Undead

 
Went to Tom's today for a little warmongering and light lunch as is oft the case on weekends of late.
As I've had my eye on a skaven army project since the Warmaster tournament when Dobbsy spiked my interest in them announcing his intention to start one to out-horde my Orks I've been on the lookout for a deal - and as my previous post confirms I've found the motherload recently and there was no stopping me from acquiring it - I mean, it's a 6000pt Warhammer army worth $3600 (at GW's currently immoral prices, at least...)

While Mantic do not currently produce man-rat miniatures there are a number of fan lists out and I wanted to get a feel for how they'd play - and try the game out too, of course!

We opted for a 1700pt game and used his Orc and Goblin army as Skaven. I had two 40 strong hordes of slaves, three 20 strong clanrat units, an abomination, a bunch of characters, three 5 rat jezzail teams, two 3 strong units of ogres and a few other bits and bobs.
He deployed a very cavalry heavy army with supporting infantry and lots of magic.

We opted to play the intro scenario where you roll the victory conditions at the end of the game
 The Skaven lines at game opening
 Their recently deceased opposition
 Skeleton Cavalry....lots!
 The spider was a Warpfire thrower, for example, the archers clanrats, the big bad meanie in the center of the photo (a pre-painted D&D figure, I think) an abomination and so forth....

 First turn went to Tom and began his army's slooooow advance
 I spread thin since game's open keeping my shooters forth, infantry second rank, my heavies up the back in reserve as I knew neither how the army or game worked.
 As the game proceeded I took the initiative forth but the undead stood fast
 Those werewolves were the bane of my right flank for the whole game
 Overwhelming numbers didn't quite seem to cut it with the undead who don't waver much. You either annihilate them off the board of they remain unscathed. That and they regenerate as you fight them...nasty!
 We both effectively forfeited our centers to run two separate wing battles.
 On the last turn I finally, after MANY hair raising moments, took Tom's right flank
 On his left flank my rat swarms held, if only just, as I fed him unit after unit he munched into with delight.....
 Tom's losses at the end of turn 4 - a ghoul unit, some skellies, his large cavalry regiment.
 My losses were a clanrat regiment and a slave horde
A hero shot forth to block the Werewolves' advance into my plague monks which were VERY close to breaking!

Unfortunately, and as often happens unfortunately, at this point of the afternoon my phone died - and with it our camera. No, we had no spells handy to resurrect it (sorry, couldn't resist!) so a quick epilogue of the battle:
I broke Tom's right flank, missed killing his general by one on a die (I rolled 2d6 and needed a 6 for him to evaporate and, of course, rolled a 5....) and redressed my line (employing the Skaven's nimble rule to great and unexpected effect) on his left flank fleeing (or is advancing steadfastly to the rear??) from the onslaught of his Vampire cavalry and werewolves.
He killed both my Ogre regiments and another slave horde but at the close of turn 6 we rolled for the game to end - which it did - and also for the surprise victory conditions - achieving both pillage and slaughter (I can't remember the exact names in the book, now....)

In short the game came to 600-odd points to Tom and 900-odd to me.
Had it gone another turn, though, I don't think my nimble rat-folk would have escaped his charge on my right, which would have handed him two more objectives of the starting seven, and while I held the left flank in numbers his strong presence in the center and my no longer having a right flank to speak of would have spelled defeat at objectives if not points - probably both!
Unfortunately for the recently deceased hordes that was not to be and their general, perhaps realizing how close he came in the 6th turn to being thumped by the combined fire of everything in the Skaven force with a Ranged characteristic (including my spellcasters!), opted rather wisely to call it a day and let his army drop into piles of bones on the battlefield and for the rest of his servants to scatter into the woods to be chased down by my vermin-kin.

What do I think of Kings of War?
It needs tweaking here and there. The rules are not clear on some exceptionally rare circumstances which can arise, including but not limited to the role and specific rules re: characters, but I do feel Alessio Cavatore did a brilliant job in capturing the essence of what morale represents over losses in historical engagements.
The ability for spellcasters to heal OR attack with Zap (what a nifty gimmick this one....representing everything from fireballs to freezing winds to earthshattering thumps or whatever!) means where to place them is very important as wounds increase a unit's chance of either wavering or fleeing altogether. Excellent tactical depth is offered by the flank and rear attack increase mechanic and artillery only hitting on 6s (despite which they DID destroy a horde almost on their own....shame on them! Killing off my little pacifist slave horde who were doing no one any harm....) makes them potentially dangerous but not too overpowered. I felt the characters were maybe a little overpowered but they are, luckily, limited in their ability to effect the battle.

I very, very much enjoyed Tom's hospitality and the chance to thump him soundly once more!
Which, mind you, was as I wrote above only the result of the fifty-fifty chance of the game either continuing beyond turn 6 or not. Had it gone on another turn I would not have walked away with a win but have walked away with only my shooters left on the table.
Now I look forth to receiving and beginning to paint my own Skaven army and giving him a rematch soon, perhaps against the dreaded Orcs and Goblins....

What a fantastic way to end 2011!
Thanks for stopping by for a read and feel free to leave comments if you like
Steven